Police Chief Places Citizens on Alert!

It looks like they are going to post the sexual harrasment investigation documents on the documents page according to the statement at the bottom of that page.

Who is "stutzroopsupporter"?

You are obviously kept in the dark entirely too much. Supporting Pam Stutz is somewhat arguable and I will leave that alone. I like Pam for a lot of things she believes but think she is over her head as the Mayor.

But how someone could support Roop is another question. I'm not sure how much information you've been able to gather about the recent situations with the police department...whether it be the bad jokes, lack of leadership, officers leaving court early, command personnel being served with restraining orders, demeaning the Council, belittling the residents in a letter, maintaining a K9 unit that has done nothing more than eat food and get skin treatments, poorly written reports to Council on a variety of subjects, officers working security jobs that may undermine the department, etc, etc.

However, I am sure that most people would agree that in most jobs on a day to day basis...all of the above would be reason for discipline up to and including termination. For someone to stand in front of a crowd and a television crew and call his supervisors out...to tell them how they should contact him and how he shouldn't and then dare them to accept his resignation is the worst case of insubordination I have ever heard of. I know that in my workplace, that type of scene would have been more than enough of a reason to terminate an employee. Showing one's ass, is something I'd expect from a child, but not from a 10 year veteran employee, no matter how upset he is with the situation. As the chief (term used lightly), I would expect professionalism at all times under all circumstances, no matter what.

Just my opinion...

Nice opinion!But hey I got mine ! Sad to see that Pam has Backstabers!!And if it comes to the chief... , it could have been anyone else in his position and you would be digging for dirt just to get him out of your way!
Why dont you guys ,who rally against them start cleaning up your own dirt first.
Truly , if T.Benjamin would be elected Mayor and Hoffman should be council member , thats when the problems are going to start rolling.There are to many of us out here, who know whats going on with certain towncoucil members.
But hey , what goes around comes around!
Just get a life and let the chief and Pam do their job!
Nobody messes with you while at work,or am I wrong?

I am sure you have your own opinion. I certainly do have my opinion and its based on what I have personally observed; I eluded to that in my first, and I admit, lengthy post to this informal forum. Its my stand, as resident and registered voter, and I am sticking to it.

Absolutely no one affiliated with the Town Hall of Haymarket who has priviledge to the "personnel issues" has ever told me anything concerning any incidences involving any of the Town of Haymarket Employees. Nor has anyone made available to me any "personnel issues" information in any format; nor have I seen any. I appreciate the fact that I am, as a citizen/resident not to be priviledeged to the "personnel issues".

It is still and will remain my position that the Town Council took pragmatic steps during all of its proceedings during the Police Department issues; and did so as a whole with the professional advice from attorneys at law, in its effort, as a whole, to restore the good name of the Town of Haymarket Police Department.

Its a well known fact that disciplinary action for each of the Police Officers' inappropriate behavior was handed down/taken; that much was published in the media; those decisions were handed down, for each where the public was invited to attend.

"I can honestly say that I have never been sexually harassed by any of Haymarket's Police Officers."

who says anything about being harassed by a police officer?Why dont we look into the council?One of those people who love to see Pam and the Chief gone!!!!!

Its been referred to in this TownofHaymarket.info informal forum several times by different screen names.

Excuse me, but aren't "personnel issues" when talking about the Town Hall of Haymarket's employees, appointed, and elected officials suppose to be internal issues?

We each have one vote each. But the voters cannot directly vote a Police Officer out of his or her public office.

Trust me I am not pam! I dont think Pam would be dumb enough (like we all are)to start a lame discussion regarding certain people in this town.She has better things to do besides sitting online and chatter around!No I am not Pam!!!!!

Hello Pam...ahahahahahahahahahah.......first time I have ever seen anyone disguise themself as themself.

I start feeling really sad for you!believe what you want!

Sorry, I really do find your comments humorous. If you are not Pam, then why use a screen name like that?

I am glad you are having fun here!Why the name you ask?Maybe I just trust in Pam and the Chief.Thats that simple.Any other questions?Where do you stand in all this drama?I think my point is clear!

Ok that does it, its time for me to quote an infamous man who made a famous statement.

"Why can't we all just get along together?"

What do you think two cents, although its packed with a real meaning, see a bit of light sidedness to that? :>)

Thats about as pragmatic a statement as it gets.

I don't mind getting along. ;) Just no more phrases "so and so is lying...you're all evil, vindictive, and vicious and power hungry". We're not, I'm not, I don't know you but I'm sure you'll say your not. We're human, we all mess up as humans do. But we're going to fight for ourselves and our own because we're typical stubborn hot blooded freedom loving americans? So cliche' I know.

I KNOW how it all began.
One friend crushed another. One stepped on someone elses toes. And it just went down hill from there. So maybe from this example, we as a town pro Stutz or pro Benjamin should realise we cannot pursuade (spelling sorry) everyone to our own way of thinking. And get along, and try not to step on our neighbors toes. Can we stop going for the juglars and maybe focus in the future on showing our shining qualities? Yes guys, flaming the enemy makes for entertaining reading. But both sides need to start prooving they are the best for the job they want to obtain or keep. We don't want to be seen as that dirty word "Politician". I can get along. Can you?
But stop calling my husband vicious. Heh, I AM vicious if need be. (I know a wifes supposed to be meek and all and I try I really do) but I'm proud of it. My claws do come out occasionally. This is my family. Its MY husband. You cannot blame me for my responses when a letter was sent out to the public painting my friends and husband so evil. What he did was not out of evilness. If roles were reversed I'm quite positive any husband would have rained hell down on the offender. But yes truce is needed.
My 50 cents worth.

Actually the quote from the infamous man was from Rodney King. Rodney King was taken down by 3 - 4 police officers and while down was continuous beat up by the 3 - 4 police officers. He was beaten up so much that he lost focus on what he was suppose to do and tried to get up, tried to protect himself, and finally he attempted to get out of the situation. It was all caught on video tape and then released to the media.

The 3 - 4 police officers tried and tried and tried to remind the public why Rodney King was taken down in the first place.

Obviously, someone is taking advantage of his or her First Amendment Right.

What was that quote from Madonna ..... "Express Yourself"

R E S P E C T..

Sorry I can't remember the Singers name..She was way before my time.

Otis Redding (1941 - 1967) was the original singer. Aretha Franklin sang a women's version.

I believe that Otis Redding is best remembered for singing "Sitting on the Dock of the Bay", among other songs.

Who is in charge in town? How do you let your police officers go out and basically campaign for their political candidates by sending an ill-conceived, poorly written, threatening letter to all of us as voters (although I somehow didn't get one) and then not accept his resignation the next day? I guess they aren't even going to punish them.

Read this summary of US and Virginia voting laws:

No person may intimidate, threaten or coerce any other person: for registering or voting; for urging or aiding persons in registering or voting; for purposes of interfering or influencing how a person chooses to vote or not vote; or for purposes of preventing a person from voting.

AND

Whenever two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, intimidate, or hinder and Virginia citizen from freely exercising her right to vote shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony.

I am going to notify the voter board today, but I only have what is on the web site. If you have the actual letter and you felt threatened as I did, you can contact the election board:

If you feel your voting rights have been violated or that you may have witnessed an election law being broken, contact the State Board of Elections at 1-800-552-9745, or via e-mail at info@sbe.virginia.gov.

By the way, WHERE ARE OUR TOWN OFFICIALS IN ALL THIS???

I am a registered voter in the Commonwealth of Virginia - What threatening letter? I sincerely doubt that any of the Haymarket Police Officers (past or present) sent out a threatening letter to any registered voter in the Voting District of Haymarket, VA or to any voter anywhere in the United States, or on Earth.

Actually the Haymarket Police Officers are busy protecting the citizens of the Town of Haymarket from real crime.

You did not come to the town meeting to voice you're opinion,
so why bother on this site???
If you are from the new development then you are so new... how can you sit there and take the negative side when you certainly have not been in the loop ( Town Meetings) you obviously are taking one side without the luxury of actually being present to witness the goings on... maybe you should try to come and see for yourself...
The reason I know that is I knew all that attended except the poor folks who had to sit there for their personal business. They have to sit for such craziness.
You are right, there will be a true shake up in town. I do hope people that come and try to do this job can actually do so but I tell you I have witnessed this stuff again and again.with a whole different set of council and mayor. people are all different and they will never truly agree the real test is see if they can actually do their jobs with such distractions.
I know it is not an easy thing to sit behind that desk and there is major work in it. You will not just sitting there. If a person sits in the crowd thinking I can do that... well more power to them. Hopefully they won't be so disillutioned down the line as they serve. and good luck to you all who think they can do better You have my, " I dare you to do so". I do wish you all luck... you WILL need it.

Something is wrong anyway if you see anything on that letter that was a threat. you will leave the voter board feeling a little silly...
To accept the resignation of a good officer without truthful facts would not be something I would not want my town council to do. I would not support that ! So there you go another difference of opinion... not as easy as you think...

Kaytmay, you are right, I was not at the meeting and have never been to a meeting in the short time I have lived here. I guess I am just not accustomed to this level of buffoonery from any government official. After watching the news and reading the paper, I am just dismayed by the way things are being handled. The reality is that I don't want to THINK about our local government and police, I just want them to do their job...competently. Since you knew everyone at the meeting I would guess that not many people were there, so I am probably not alone in wanting the government to just get the job done, without a bunch of drama, period.

I guess there is also some dissapointment because I actually thought how great it would be to be part of a small town when we purchased our home, but seeing things unfold lately make me wonder what I have gotten my family into.

I guess the worst part may be your wake up call to me that you have seen this over and over again...that almost makes me sick to my stomach! If there is a shakeup, are we going to get the same type of people running the town?

You said in other posts you have been in town a long time so I will ask you (and anyone else who has been around) to provide some perspective. Why are things why they are? I see the candidates for mayor listed (and a bunch of pro and con posts for each), but who else is running for the board and who among them do you think will make a difference? Thanks!

Do you even know what you are talking about? Have you done any investigation to see if these allegations have any validity at all? Before I would defend someone, I would certainly want to make sure that I knew what I was talking about. I don't think the perpetrators of these "rumors" are squirming at all because they are telling the truth. Ask your Town officials to show you the proof that substantiates the "rumors" or might they not want to show you the proof because you might learn that they are hiding something from the residents of the Town. And shouldn't the Chief of Police be beyond reproach? He is, after all, protecting our homes and our children. I certainly would not want someone even associating with my child as he hands out police badges in the neighborhood streets if the life he leads cannot be an example for all. I know some excellent police officers who are currently serving and many more who are retired and all live lives both on duty and off duty that are exemplary of the position they hold in the community - to protect and to serve. Who is the Chief serving - himself? the Council? or the community? It appears to me that this letter to the residents of the Town and to the Council is more a threat that if we don't let the Chief do what he wants, then he will take his ball and go home.......I say let him go home if he isn't up to the scrutiny of the residents of this Town. And is the Town Council afraid to stand up to him and make him responsible to them? Last time I checked, the Chief serves at the discretion of the Town Council. After this month's Town Council meeting, it appears to me that the Town Council serves the Chief.

You should not be defending without knowing all the facts. It points to ignorance. I suppose he shouldn't be taking any crap. Belittling a female is alright in your mind? Making me feel less then human by calling me on my home phone intoxicated and propositioning me is something a police Chief should be doing? This isn't lible this is'nt heresay. Im sorry that my word is not good enough. Im sorry that in this day and age it is still ok for men to treat woman any way they want to. And I am sorry I could not say a word about it for fear it would interfere with my husbands job. Proof? I have none. I did not know I needed to tape record personal phone calls I got at my home. I did nothing wrong. I never brought any of this up to anyone until now. Only now becuase there is nothing left for you all to take from my husband.
But thank you, thank you Jim, thank you Mayor. Thank all of you who support their behaviour as acceptable, proving that I as a citizen of this town mean nothing and thank you for basically calling me a liar.

NO it is never ok for someone to do what you say,
However, I do not know you...I do know Jim.
I am sorry you think I am calling you a liar that is not so. I jsut know that people say things at times that are not exactly truthful and if it sounds that way as I said before I do not know you. I cannot defend someone I do not know. I do not know if you have reason behind what you say , maybe you are retaliating because of feeling like your husband was shortchanged somehow. I do not know your circumstance. I have been here a long time I have seem unhappy people who have done just what I have decribed before and withhout merit so sorry that I have to know for sure before I believe.
Besides you said that what I said ppoints to ignorance and yet you say you do not have anything to back up your claims. I am supposed to just say ok and jump on your bandwagon?

There is no reason to retaliate. If I had wanted to stir up anything to be vindictive don't you think I would have brought this to peoples attention on a more official level? I do know the severity of such accusations. And I do not wish to ruin anyone. I merely stated how I felt. I merely wanted them to realise that maybe I have feelings and that some words are not ok to speak to another person. No I can't back up what was said to me. Like I said I was not thinking "Oh, I want to prove this conversation happened, let me grab a tape recorder". I have never needed to prove myself. Just his words and others about how sterling in character they are rubbed me a bit the wrong way. I've known him for almost 7 years. I respected him. But that one conversation was wrong. And here I am to say it should not have happened.